Reacting to the Cavs’ biggest comeback win of the season: Wine and Gold Talk podcast

Takeaways:

• The Cavs showed resilience in overcoming a 22-point deficit.
• Donovan Mitchell’s scoring ability was crucial for the Cavs’ comeback.
• Evan Mobley’s performance in the fourth quarter was game-changing.
• Ty Jerome provided stability and scoring when needed most.
• The Celtics struggled with depth due to key injuries.
• Kenny Atkinson’s coaching decisions will impact playoff success.
• The Cavs’ defensive adjustments limited the Celtics’ three-point attempts.
• Evan Mobley is a key player for the Cavs’ playoff aspirations.

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Ethan Sands

What up, Cavs Nation? I’m your host, Ethan Sands, and I’m back with another episode of the Wine and Gold Talk Podcast. And joining me is Chris Fedor, Cavs Beat reporter in Boston. Just got to witness potentially or arguably the most exciting win.

of the Cleveland Cavaliers this season. And Chris, I don’t want to get into the game right away. I want to get into the atmosphere. The Cavs felt like they were out of it. Second quarter, third quarter, first quarter, down 25 to three. And this Cavs team came back from its largest victory this season. What were you feeling in the arena? You talked to our subtexters saying you couldn’t hear yourself. Talk me through.

Chris (00:58.752)

Hahaha.

Ethan Sands (00:59.938)

the environment and what was going on.

Chris (01:02.761)

I mean, it was a dream start for the Celtics and it looked like Boston was coming out to send a message about Eastern Conference supremacy to the team that is supposedly their greatest threat in the Eastern Conference, their greatest threat to a repeat. Like Joe Mazzullo didn’t even want to talk before the game about how much better the Cavs have gotten and how different these Cavs are because he just didn’t want to instill that confidence in them and he didn’t want to start giving them credit.

and talk about the wholesale changes that are different about the Cavs this year. So there were some mind games going on and it was clear that the Celtics were taking this one with a little bit more oomph and you could feel that from the crowd. You could feel that from the players as well, even though they didn’t have Christophe Porzingis. They didn’t have Drew Holliday. They were coming off a loss against Detroit. They were at home. It was the quote unquote number one seed.

in the Eastern Conference and the way that they played at the beginning of the game, there was intensity, there was a physicality, there was a purpose, and it was the same thing in the arena. Like from the opening tip, even before the opening tip, Ethan, every member of the Cavs during pregame introductions got booed heartily. Every single one of them. And the loudest ones were reserved for Donovan Mitchell.

But that’s just the kind of environment it was. That’s just the way that the fans were approaching the game. And you felt that. And when they went on the run that they went on, 8-0, then 11-0, then 25-3. I mean, it was ear splitting inside that arena. They felt something really, really special coming from the Celtics. And for the Cavs to withstand that punch,

it wasn’t the Celtics best punch. Okay. Because it wasn’t a full strength Celtics team, but it was a punch nonetheless by a really, really good basketball team in a really, really difficult place to play. And the Cavs kept their composure. They showed toughness. They showed fight. They showed trust. They showed resiliency and they were able to, you know, stay within themselves and believe in one another.

Chris (03:30.129)

that they could still do it. know, Darius Garland said the tone in the second timeout huddle was, boy, we’re in trouble. But, you know, they stayed connected. They took the punch from the Celtics and they responded the way that you would expect the number one seed in the Eastern Conference to do so. And the Cavs have done it basically all season long.

Ethan Sands (03:56.672)

And Chris, I think it’s important to note that there were fantastic performances on each side, starting off with the Cleveland Cavaliers, have to, Donovan Mitchell. And to his credit, he had 41 points when the game was all said and He didn’t have the best first quarter, but for the remaining three quarters, he had 10 or more points in each quarter.

to help the Cavs get back into the fight. And we saw a lot of fight from him. And the other thing coming into this game, we know that Donovan Mitchell is one of the best points per game players against the Boston Celtics since Michael Jordan, right? And we understand that this is a team, this is a game, this is a, an organization that wants to beat the Celtics dating back to the LeBron James era, right?

Chris (04:38.642)

Good night.

Ethan Sands (04:51.234)

But when we talk about a guy like Donovan Mitchell who came in talking about habits, talking about wanting to set it tone, talking about wanting to get to the Eastern Conference finals, NBA finals, because we know he hasn’t been there yet. This was a test for him and a test for the entire team to showcase that they could help him rise to the occasion. They had to fight back in that sense, right? Not only did the Boston Celtics have a 20 plus point lead, but

Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown combined for 83 points when the game was all said and done. That is ridiculous. And I understand that Christoph Kourzingis is out and Drew Holliday is out. But the actual point that I’m going to make to you is, is that those two players don’t get the same amount of shots if those two players are available. More so, deeming to Christoph Kourzingis who was going to take

12 to 20 shots a game depending on what the situation is per game in a seven game series. So I don’t know if the I’m not going to say that they aren’t capable of doing this in a playoff series in a playoff game combining for 83 of the team’s 116 points. But I would say it’s an anomaly for two players to combine for that kind of stretch and without

one of the most crucial pieces on their team. I don’t know if he’s going to be able to calculate that amount of difference for a team while taking the amount of shots that he does. Even when we talk about what we said before this game with Evan Mobley is able to shut him down defensively better than he has an opportunity against smaller guards that are quicker, faster, might have a little bit more strength that like Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. What do you think about how

The game changed because of Chris Stobbs, Drew Holliday being out, but also noting what Jalen Brown and Jason Tain were able to do.

Chris (06:54.909)

Well, the biggest thing is that the Celtics run out of depth really quick when they don’t have two of their most important players. And that was on display. And it’s not necessarily about Kristaps and it’s not necessarily about Drew. Like some of it is about them and their skill set. But it’s the other guys that they’re forced to rely on because they don’t have those guys occupying those minutes. Case in point.

in a seven game series in the Eastern Conference Finals, are the Celtics gonna play Sam Houser 38 minutes like they did tonight? No. There’s absolutely no chance. Not if the Celtics are at full strength or close to full strength. Are they gonna play some dude named Drew Peterson for a minute and a half? No, they’re definitely not. But like, it was the Sam Houser thing that stood out to me, Ethan.

Like because so much of what the Cavs were able to do on the offensive end of the floor, especially in the fourth quarter, when it came to putting the game away and making clutch shots and generating quality offense, they just put Sam Hauser in every single action and they attacked him. Sometimes it was Darius, sometimes it was Donovan. And when you have a huntable player like that,

You’re just going to continue to prey on that weakness over and over and over again. But is that weakness going to exist to the same level in a potential playoff series between these two teams? If the Celtics are at full strength? No, he’s not going to play 38 minutes. He might play like eight minutes in that game. So one of the questions that I have coming off of tonight’s win, and it was a great win for the Cavs. They showed a lot of guts. They showed a lot of toughness.

They showed a lot of mental fortitude. But one of the questions that I have coming off this game is can they generate, can they be the kind of offense that they want to be when they don’t have that huntable player out there? Because Sam Houser is not going to be out there. It’s going to be Drew Holiday instead. Are you really going to attack Drew Holiday that same kind of way? Who are you going to put into the action over and over and over? It was the same thing over and over and over again in the fourth quarter.

Chris (09:16.625)

It was all right. Who is Sam Houser guarding? That guy goes set the screen and you know Boston’s going to switch. Now we’re just going to torch Sam Houser. Right? But if that’s Drew Holiday, like who are you attacking? Are you attacking Jason Tatum? Are you attacking Jaylen Brown? Are you attacking Derek White? Are you attacking Drew Holiday? Are you attacking Chris Stops?

Are you attacking Tory Craig if they use him more frequently throughout the course of the playoffs? You know what I mean? So it’s just like the pathway to the Cavs offense with success tonight. I don’t think is going to exist to the same level when they get into the playoffs. And that just makes me wonder about how are the Cavs going to consistently generate quality offense? On the other side of it.

I think there’s a reality that the Cavs are faced with here. And I brought up the topic with Kenny Atkinson before the game. was the final question that he was asked in pregame. And because he had gone down the road of the DeAndre Hunter in the starting lineup, DeAndre Hunter in the finishing group kind of thing. And he didn’t want to touch the starting lineup thing, which is fine. And he said, what’s more important to the Cavs is who finishes games. So I said, okay, Kenny.

Have you had conversations with Jared Allen, knowing that they were going into a game against Boston and knowing the problems that the Cavs have when playing two bigs? said, have you specifically talked to Jared Allen about the potential of not finishing games? And is he okay with it? Because this is not a series when they get into the playoffs against the Celtics, Ethan.

It is not a series for two bigs. It is not. They’re going to have to make a choice and they’re probably going to start with Jared and Evan together because they don’t want to be that drastic and change up their starting lineup. But they are quickly going to go away from the two bigs and they’re going to go to Dean Wade and they’re going to go to DeAndre. The Celtic series is a DeAndre Hunter, Dean Wade, Evan Mobley series. That’s the successful front court. That’s the blueprint for the Cavs.

Chris (11:36.337)

against the Celtics. They have played four games against the Celtics this year. In 58 combined minutes, with Jared Allen and Evan Mobley on the floor together, the Cavs have a net rating of minus 32.1.

That is horrendous. Their offensive rating with both of them on the floor together is 90. Ain’t gonna work against the Celtics. Their defensive rating with both of them on the floor is 122. That ain’t gonna work against Celtics. So like the beauty of having Jared and Evan together is the rebounding advantage, the defensive advantage, and you just kind of accept

that there might be some limitations offensively. But if they can’t hang defensively, and if the Celtics are fully comfortable just attacking Evan Mobley or Jared Allen off the dribble the way that Jason Tatum was, then there just isn’t anything gained for the Cavs by playing both those guys together. And what they miss out on is so significant that they can’t consistently play them together for long stretches against the Celtics.

So if we’re looking for what’s translatable to a playoff series between these two teams and the Eastern Conference finals, it’s the fact that Sam Hauser is not going to be out there just thrown to the wolves the way that he was tonight. And Jared and Evan together is not going to consistently work against the Celtics. And it’s a series for Deandre Hunter, Dean Wade and Evan Mobley, not for Jared Allen, or at least not for Jared Allen and Evan Mobley together.

Ethan Sands (13:21.836)

So you mentioned those players, right? And I think that’s a great point. And I think you’re absolutely right. And I had this conversation with people tonight when I was talking about tonight’s game and Jared Allen not being a factor in the second half. He played nine minutes in the second half, Chris, right? And we’re talking about a member of the core four. And we’re not talking about this is going to be significant for the remainder of the season. We’re not talking about this is going to be significant for every playoff series.

But against the Boston Celtics, this is a team that has problems for Jared Allen. And we saw them significantly in the first half of tonight’s game. He matched up against Jason Tatum multiple times. It did not work out in his favor, right? Sometimes he was stuck on an island. Sometimes all of these different things. But then you talk about Deandre Hunter, Dean Wade, Isaac Okoro, the three wings that the Cavs have coveted this season. And obviously Deandre Hunter.

Chris (13:51.049)

Mm-hmm.

Ethan Sands (14:19.758)

who the Cavs went and got in mind for playing with against the Boston Celtics in the playoffs. Deandre Hunter was great tonight. He had a great game in his first matchup against the Boston Celtics in a Cleveland Cavaliers uniform. was four of six from the field, three of three from deep, grabbed down five rebounds. He had 12 points and was a plus 21 on the field. The only player

Chris (14:29.384)

Mm-hmm.

Ethan Sands (14:48.59)

with a more a better plus minus on tonight’s game for the Cavs was Sam Merrill with a plus 22. I want to talk about

Chris (14:57.577)

Nah, you forgot Ty Jerome. Ty Jerome was Mr. Plus Minus with a plus 34 tonight.

Ethan Sands (15:04.216)

my goodness, how did I miss that? my goodness. Okay, all right. Plus 34, eight point.

Chris (15:06.259)

yeah, plus 34.

I think that’s a big deal, Ethan. I think that’s a big deal. Because I think there were questions about Ty and his athleticism and his ability to hold up against, you know, a team like the Celtics that whips the ball around, that shoots a bunch of threes. Can he keep up with them? Is he athletic enough? Can he stay in front of them? Is he going to be too foul prone? And it was kind of strange that Kenny Atkinson went away from him so quickly.

in the first half, the way that he did, I thought that was a little bit bizarre. But I thought tonight was really, really important for somebody like Ty because, you know, when we’re talking about the Boston series, we’re trying to figure out, okay, how many guys are playable against the Celtics? What combinations are playable against the Celtics? What four man groupings are playable? What five man groupings?

And for Ty to be as effective as he was tonight against Boston, and for him to show that yes, there is a place for him in this series, and he can be effective against their switching defense, against their physicality, against their length, their athleticism, their quickness, all those things. I thought that was a big deal because I was wondering just how much could Ty play in this kind of series against the Celtics.

Would his lack of foot speed and athleticism catch up with him? It was not a problem. He found a way to still make an impact out there every time he was given an opportunity. And the energy that he brought, the effort that he brought, the calmness that he brought, and the pace that he brought to the offense really changed the game after the Cavs dug themselves that big hole.

Ethan Sands (17:00.94)

Yeah, in the first quarter was the biggest. It was the biggest scene for Ty Jerome to step on. Right. You understand that sometimes there is only a first impression in these big time games. And Ty Jerome stepped onto the floor and had the most points in the first quarter for the Cavs with eight. Right. And all eight of his points in the game.

came in the first quarter and the Cavs could not have asked for anything more than that, right? And obviously there were opportunities for him to score and all these other things, but his stability, and this is what we’ve talked about when it comes to Tyrone, his stability, his ability to just level out the offense and give exactly what is needed. Slow it down, speed it up, whatever. But Chris, I want to talk about what the difference was on the defensive end for the Cavs.

in the first half rather than the second half. And I feel like we touched on it a little bit. Dean Wade, Deandre Hunter, and Isaac Okoro on the floor together, I felt had great minutes together. But when it comes to the defensive scheme that they were put in, the Cavs were set up in a 2-3 zone to go up against a team in the Boston Celtics that shot

Chris (18:21.544)

boy.

Ethan Sands (18:25.394)

over 50 % in the first half from beyond the yard. That’s not a successful rate. And we know that the biggest weakness of the zone, especially two, three, obviously it changes when you shift it up or whatever, is the three point shot. Derek White had two big threes against that zone. And that’s what gave them the momentum along with Jason Tatum being able to play his ISO ball and Jaylen Brown doing the same thing.

When I talk about a team that’s able to shift their momentum from the first half to the second half, Jason Tatum had 30 points in the first half. Jaylen Brown had 19 points in the first half. the second half, Jason Tatum had, excuse me, Jason Tatum had 16 points on eight of 20 shooting and Jaylen Brown had 18 points on six of 12 shooting. Kenny Atkinson mentioned it after the game.

Jason Tatum was a monster tonight and he had one of the best offensive performances against the team that he’s seen in NBA history as a coach, right? And I think Chris, when you look at how Kenny Atkinson consistently changes things throughout the offense, throughout the defense, and we’ve liked that about this season, I think there has been also times this year where he’s made questionable decisions based on matchups and based on

Chris (19:27.496)

Mm.

Ethan Sands (19:53.794)

what the roster consists of against him just to stick with the rotations that he’s had in the past. Today felt like one of those days. I wanted to pick your brain on what Kenny Atkinson could have done better when it comes to defensive schemes against a team like the Boston Celtics where two players were the main reason that this game was close.

Chris (20:17.843)

Well, think two things, Ethan. I think number one, the Cavs deserve a lot of credit for limiting the Celtics to 13 three point attempts in the second half. We’ve talked about the math problem that sometimes the Cavs run into when playing against the Celtics. It’s not that the Cavs can’t keep up from three point range. They’re one of the most prolific three point shooting teams in the NBA, just like the Celtics are. But in the first couple of matchups between the two teams,

When the Celtics get to like 50 to 55 three point attempts, that’s their comfort zone. Then it becomes a math problem. Then it becomes really, really problematic for the opponent. So to have a fighting chance against the Celtics, you have to try and limit the number of three point attempts that they take. And I think because the Cavs continued to switch as much as they did and because the Cavs

continued to change up the looks. Like there were times that Jason Tatum felt like it was advantageous for him to try and work in the post or drive. Jaylen Brown, the same kind of thing. the other thing that happened in the second half when we cannot ignore it because it was one of the turning points in the game, Jaylen Brown took, he took a couple of fouls early in the game that, that didn’t seem like they were going to be that big of a deal.

But then all of sudden you get into the third quarter, it’s early in the third quarter, the Celtics are up by 14 and he picks up his fourth foul. And now all of a sudden he’s on the bench for the duration of the third quarter. The third quarter is when the Cavs made their second comeback. The third quarter is the Cavs getting the game into a reachable margin where it was a one possession game going into the fourth quarter. So him picking up his fourth foul.

And was kind of an iffy call to begin with. that was a significant shift in the game because now all of sudden, like I said, the Celtics are asking more of Sam Houser all of sudden, one of their sources for offense, that they could attack with a guy who could play off of Jason Tatum, make it so that Tatum didn’t have to do everything in the third quarter. make it so that Derek White.

Chris (22:42.365)

didn’t have as much to do in the third court, like all those different things. That was a big turning point in the game. But I do think that there’s something to the Cavs’ switch ability and guys who can theoretically hold up in those switches that the Celtics seem to think are more advantageous than they are that kind of takes them out of their rhythm and their flow offensively.

The other thing that I’ll say is that I think the Cavs discipline on the offensive end in the second half was better than the Celtics discipline. And I thought the Celtics had opportunities, just like they did in the first half, you know, to find matchups that actually were advantageous. know, pick out the guy that you want to put in the action. Is it Max Struce? Is it Darius Garland?

Is it Evan Mobley on the perimeter off the bounce with a live dribble? Is it Jared Allen when he’s out there? Like find that guy that you think is advantageous for you, continue to put him in the action. I don’t think the Celtics did enough of that. There were opportunities for them to attack Max Drews just like they did in the first quarter. and they didn’t. There are opportunities for them to go at Darius Garland the way that they did.

for a lot of the first half and they didn’t. were opportunities to take Evan Mobley off the dribble, pull him to the perimeter, take his rim protection away and go at him that kind of way. And they didn’t because they’re just not as disciplined offensively. Whereas the Cavs, they saw the weakness and they went at it over and over and over. They did not allow the Celtics, you know, to, to, to do the things defensively that they wanted to do.

they saw the matchup that they liked and they went at it over and over and over again. So I think those were the factors that kind of stood out to me, but to me, it all goes back to Ethan 13, three point attempts for the Celtics in the second half. That is a win for the Cavs.

Ethan Sands (24:58.936)

And I think that’s also a testament to the limited amount of zone that the Cavs played in the second half. I don’t think they played it as much as they did in the first half. They utilized their switch ability with Isaac Okoro, Dean Wade, and DeAndre Hunter. And also Kenny Atkinson talked about it after the game switching matchups. And we saw DeAndre Hunter being on Jason Tatum.

initially in sets rather than having to be switched on to or avoided entirely because there were times where it felt like Deandre Hunter was in the Isaac Okoro role. Thank God he hit threes better than Isaac Okoro did last year in the playoffs. But Deandre Hunter was more so kept in the corner away from the Celtics creators in Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum because they understood.

that that was the entire point of the Cavs going and getting Deandre Hunter ahead of the trade deadline. But I cannot end this podcast without saying this. And we’ve talked about Donovan Mitchell and he had a great fourth quarter and he led this team to this victory. But we said this as a preview yesterday for the Cavs to win this game.

Evan Mobley was going to have to play like Evan Mobley from game five of last year in the series against the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference semifinals. For three quarters, he did not. He did not do that. And in the fourth quarter, he came out with a different sense of urgency. He came out a completely different player, right? He was a guy on a mission, rebounding, effort, putting in extra muscle.

hustling to get boards that weren’t his and then also nine to ten straight buckets or straight points for the Cavs. That was the entire changer of this game and allowed the Cavs to pull out because as much as we want to admit that this Cavs team is different, it felt eerily similar to last year where Donovan Mitchell was doing a lot of the weight pulling for this team in the fourth quarter.

Ethan Sands (27:12.234)

Evan Mobley came to his rescue and said, Hey, you have help. I am here. And that is the biggest takeaway from me today of Evan Mobley needs to be that guy for four quarters, not just one. And even Donovan Mitchell touched on it on how he can be consistent in every aspect for the remainder of games this season and heading into the playoffs. As we know that these two teams are on a

crash course for the Eastern Conference Finals.

Chris (27:46.323)

still need to see it against Kristaps Porzingis. In saying that, I do. Because that matchup, I just, I just wonder, I just wonder how many times Evan Mobley can thrive or succeed in that particular matchup. I still wonder about that. In saying that, he was terrific in the fourth quarter, and it starts to feel like Evan Mobley is kind of the barometer for the Cavs. And how he plays

that reflects how the Cavs are playing. And for him to have that 9-1 run to open up the fourth quarter and he scored all nine by himself, two of those being no hesitation, three-pointers, big time from Evan Mobley. And I asked Kenny Atkinson after the game, Ethan, I said, you know, what if anything did you see that was different from Evan in the fourth quarter compared to the first three quarters? And

You know, part of it was he was in foul trouble. Part of it was, you know, they were throwing some junky things at Evan on the defensive end of the floor. Like he’s used to being guarded a certain kind of way. The Celtics don’t guard that kind of way. Sometimes he’s being guarded by Derek White. Sometimes he’ll be guarded by Drew Holiday when Drew Holiday is healthy. But there’s like junky things that they do that are designed to take an offense out of its usual rhythm.

and make them a little bit befuddled because they’re unconventional because of the personnel that they have. But I asked Kenny, said, what if anything did you see that was different from Evan in the fourth quarter? He said, I have no idea, Chris. I thought he was deep in a hole. He was not feeling it. He was completely out of rhythm. But that’s the mark of the growth of Evan Mobley.

Like he didn’t allow three quarters to define the kind of game that he was going to have. He didn’t allow three quarters to define the kind of imprint that he was going to put on the game. There was still an opportunity for him to do positive things at both ends of the floor. For him to have eight freaking rebounds in a quarter, eight in one quarter and four of those on the offensive end of the floor. Like that level of aggressiveness.

Chris (30:08.873)

creating those second chance opportunities, keeping Boston from getting rebounds and pushing in transition. All those things, they wore on the Celtics as the game was going on. And you could feel every time that Evan Mobley gobbled an offensive rebound. It was almost like two years ago in the playoffs where every time Mitchell Robinson would get an offensive rebound against the Cavs inside then Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse, the fan base was like,

UGH! We just defended our ass off for 23 seconds and now this dude just inhales another offensive rebound? To give him another chance it was groans, was murmurs. And that’s what you felt in TD Garden. Every time it felt like Boston was getting a stop, forcing Darius to miss or Donovan to miss or somebody to miss, there was Evan Mobley skying over everybody, getting a second chance opportunity, getting another offensive rebound.

And you know, the confidence that he played with in the fourth quarter, the aggressiveness that he played with in the fourth quarter, the purpose that he played with in the fourth quarter. Like that’s how he’s going to play against the Celtics for every single quarter. That’s how he’s got to play against the Celtics in every single game. And if that guy from the fourth quarter, if that’s the guy that the Cavs get in a seven game series against the Celtics, then they’ll have a fighting chance.

But if they get the guy from the first three quarters against the Celtics, I mean, we’re probably talking about a sweep or a gentleman’s sweep because I do think he’s become a big barometer for this team’s success. And the other thing, Kenny’s not going away from him. Kenny might go away from Max. Kenny might go away from Jarrett. Kenny might go away from Ty, but he’s not going to go away from Evan.

Like Evan’s going to be finishing these games against the Celtics. That is his responsibility. That is something that the Cavs really like to do. That is something that the Cavs believe in, in this matchup against the Celtics. So it’s going to be up to Evan to reward that faith that they’re going to put in him in a seven game series against Boston. And he did that in the fourth quarter. Just brilliant in the fourth, he changed the game.

Chris (32:32.669)

He changed the game in the fourth quarter.

Ethan Sands (32:35.308)

And they need them. They need them, Chris. And we’ve said this at length on this podcast. When it comes to Evan Mobley, if he can be the Cavs best player or if he can match the success of Donovan Mitchell, this team has a great opportunity to go very, very far in this year’s playoffs. Not next year, not two years down the road, this year. And I think when we talk about just

rebounding and all those different things. was different in the first half. And for Evan Mobley, as you said, to have eight rebounds in the fourth quarter, that is exactly what the Cavs needed to pull this win out on top of his scoring. There were three players, three players to score for the Cavs in the fourth quarter. Donovan, Darius, Evan Mobley. That is the

Chris (33:27.485)

Easy.

Ethan Sands (33:34.578)

Standard right and if you need to go to three players That’s who you hope you can call on when it comes to this Cleveland Cavaliers team but the Cavs are 49 and 10 and they are heading on to their 10th straight win if they can go and defeat Portland their nine wins in a row for the third straight time this season, but with that being said

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